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Wednesday, June 8, 2011

Newsletter about the City Council meeting of June 7, 2011 -- Addendum on "The Newly Proposed Ward Boundary Map"

Continuation of Public Hearing of May 17, 2011 – Proposed Ward Boundary Map Based on the 2010 Federal Census Results and Approval of Resolution

At its April 5, 2011 meeting, City Council received an initial (Alternative 1) map showing ward boundary changes which would balance each ward’s population based on the 2010 Census. City Council designated a subcommittee (Wright, Fox, Meisner) to analyze ward boundaries and recommend changes to City Council. Feedback from the Council meeting was used to develop Alternative 2, and the subcommittee met in open session on April 26, 2011. Alternative 2 was further refined to keep Planning Commission Members in their wards and takes into consideration City Council Members’ comments. Alternative 3 was developed, and the subcommittee met in open session on May 6, 2011. The subcommittee recommended Alternative 3 for City Council to receive public input at the public hearing and consider adoption of the requisite resolution.

At the May 17, 2011 meeting, Attorney Allison Riggs, Southern Coalition for Social Justice, presented an alternative ward redistricting map for City Council consideration. City Council unanimously voted to continue the public hearing to June 7, 2011. Further, Council directed that another meeting of the Subcommittee on Ward Redistricting be held prior to the June 7th Council Meeting. The subcommittee met in open session on May 25, 2011 and reviewed the option presented by Attorney Allison Riggs, Southern Coalition for Social Justice. Alternative 3 was unanimously approved and recommended to City Council for consideration along with the requisite resolution.

Four people spoke againt this proposal. The first person person to speak was Barbara Byrd, she spoke about what was going on back in the 1970s when she grew up. She spoke about there being no purpose at that time that kids were dropping out of school... had nothing to do and everything to lose, but who cares and who loses. She spoke about the Jim Crow law, which occurred during this era and it is still being practiced here today. Over 40 years, you would think that this would overcome and respect all races -- a lesson to be learned in itself. Why should we be reminded of racism, name calling, riots, seperate this, separate that, all of this for a huge political power struggle that you people hold offices to stand for us as people and citizens of Hickory. Questions are being asked, what can we do to end this era? What is expected from our city officials? More so, what is expected of us to help move this city of Hickory to the next level for all people? We need representation from all, including all races, to help make this happen. No one can begin to think or feel or never act upon our community, in which we live, which is Ward 4 Ridgeview. We all need to be on the same page, so let's try to realign and move forward. Leave all of this Jim Crow Law behind and thrive for the future. What is so wrong with wanting to move the Ward lines so that we can get better representation so that we can get proper representation so our voice can be heard. We have plenty of issues that need to be addressed as well, such as poverty out of our neighborhood... raise the standards for higher education and exemplify our place in society, so that we can improve all of our kids for the betterment of our children, our heritage, and our dignity. Let's lay down this Jim Crow law tonight, because we can only dream of an All-American City. Which one of these communities? Ours bleed so yours is going to bleed also. Don't take the soul and heart out of ward 4. Let it thrive. One day we can all stand proud and say to you, this is an All-American City in which we live. And tonight, please keep in mind that our children are our future. Our community belongs to each and every one of us. All we ask is that we have a voice, the same as you guys do, and that we feel comfortable in our homes at night. Say yes to some of these wrad lines that really need to be adjusted for all people.

The following comment will be summarizations of the statements of James Franklin Davis, Deborah McNeur, and Larry Pope:

J. Franklin (Jimmy) Davis addressed the Council. The decision that you've made indicates that The City is going to prioritize incumbency protection over minority voting rights and that is a pretty undemocratic position to take. The current method of elections is unfair. If future conditions of elections continue to bear out the trend that candidates that are the choice of minority voters cannot win when pitted against white candidates, in an at large election, then you will have to reevaluate your legal options. Jimmy then used a couple of segments that went over questions that have been asked on the Hickory Hound in the January Rant entitled the Pursuit of Excellence. He then speaks of a Bible quote, "Take heed who is chief amongst you and let them be your servant." Are you (the council) the he who is being referred to. The ultimate measure of a man or woman is not where he or she stands in moments of comfort or convenience, but where he or she stands at times of challenge and controversy. The true neighbor will risk his position, his status, and even his life for the welfare of others. Studies show Hickory at the bottom of the barrel in just about every national study that e have seen, yet Council members are patting themselves on the back and are proud of the work that they are doing -- Really? Jimmy then went into the State of Hickory 2011. "We don’t need leaders who are in the political arena to stroke their ego. We need leaders in this community who are thinkers and who are intellectually curious. We need leaders who know how jobs are created, because if they don’t, they could cause the loss of jobs and the empirical evidence of the last decade shows that this was a contributing factor in what happened to our job market. Our leaders lost sight of what businesses need to make employment viable."
Jimmy states that the essence of all of our work, regardless of what particular issue or activity in which we are involved, is to foster a spirit of authentic community. All of our work therefore should promote social, economic, and personal relationships that are firm and realize that equality, dignity, the worth and potential of every person and all peoples. We take care to stand with the poor, the oppressed, any group or person in such a way that we stand for the best interest of the whole.

The next person to speak was Deb McNeur. With all due respect, the Mayor stated that it was unfair to unseat an incumbent by eliminating a seat. That is not really the truth. It would not be in favor of eliminatinating a seat, byt it would be in favor of electing someone of low socio-economic status to the Council to give fair representation to all of the areas. Part of Ward 4 is West Hickory, Westmont, and Green Park also. It's not really a racial issue. (Deb) doesn't like it being divided along racial issues, but it is a south side of the tracks issue. The big issue is the socio-economics. No one from Ward 4 West Hickory could get elected either. She considers the wards having been gerrymandered to keep the status quo in place, which is not conducive to someone being fairly represented that does not have the socio-economics most of you sitting there (City Council) do.

Larry Pope was the next person to speak. Larry commended City staff who had helped him when he had low blood sugar while visiting city hall that morning. He is proud of how they represent the city. They need to be commended. He considers himself a citizen of a very good city. Larry has asked several times about going back to what we had in 1970, in which Council elections were purely ward based. With the blended at-large system, minorities and low income folks in our city don't stand a chance of being elected. (Larry) is a good example. He won his ward 4 times, but when it went to at-large he was defeated, because folks all over the city voted against (Larry), because they couldn't control Larry or he wouldn't vote the way that they wanted him to vote. (Larry) says to (Council) that the only way that we can make elections in the city representative is to let the folks of their ward be chosen by the citizens of their ward. (Larry) is asking tonight for (Council) to give us an answer so that he knows whether they intend to go to Ward election, He wants them to vote on it and how they vote on it. He wants to know whether they will vote to go back to NCGS 160a-104 and go back to ward elections so that citizens can choose who they want to represent them and not have citizens who do not live in that ward choosing who will represent them.



The Mayor stated that he believed that the 3rd proposal should be adopted. It is absolutely no better or worse than alternative 4, except that it unseats a sitting council member. It does not change voting patterns. It does not give more power or less power.

Alder Patton stated that she seconded the motion. Much of what has been discussed ignores that there has been a minority elected to the ward for many years. She truly believes that the city has moved past color. It is not based on color. If there is a viable good candidate that the city wants to elect, then that can incude not just a black, but Asian, Hmong, or Latino. She believes that Hickory would elect a minority.  

(Deb McNeur) later spoke up during an address of council and stated that she wanted to remind the Council that the person elected by the at-large vote (Z. Anne Hoyle) was not the choice of the people of that ward. She stated that is the reason why Alderman Guess is on the Council is because the people of ward 4 were not going to vote for M. Hoyle.


Alder Fox stated that she wants to say that she has thought about this and it was a numbers process. She considered it a fair process. All of us regardless of the wards that we represent spend a lot of time in other areas that are not basically our wards. She can speak for council members who have spent hours in areas that they don't represent. She is satisfied with what has taken place here. we were not charged with how to look at how we vote.

The Mayor stated that we had another open meeting and all we are talking about is two percent, but it eliminates a city council member. he feels comfortable with what they have done. It has nothing to do with depriving anyone's voting rights in any way. He can't think of anything realistically that would have changed things.

There was contention as the Council members voted 7-0 to adopt the resolution. Larry Pope demanded that as part of Title 2 of the Americans with Disabilities Act that they state their name and how they voted. The Mayor stated that he was not going to do that unless someone tells him that the law requires that. Attorney Crone stated that it was obvious that it was a 7-0 vote, but did not answer about the legality of the issue. Mr. Pope stated that if forced to that he would challenge the issue in court. He does not know which council members are here or not here. He cannot see a single individual. (Larry)asks for it to be done the way that the law requires it to be done. Hank Guess made a motion that the Council vote in that format. That motion was seconded by several council members. The Mayor stated that they have always voted in an appropriate manner, but in his opinion they should not start saying that they are going to do something that the law requires in one instance, but not another. If the law requires it... Alderman Guess stated that it's not that... Mayor Wright stated that before he votes he wants to know whether the law requires it. Atty. Crone stated that it was clear that every member here voted unanimously, but would not address the legal issue. Crone stated that he doesn't see what the big deal is one way or the other.  Lail, Seaver, Guess, Fox, and Patton voted Aye to the voice vote. Mayor Wright and Meisner voted No to the Voice vote. In the voice vote each member stated their name and voted yes to adopt the Ward line third proposal.

The Hound says Whew!!! This was contentious and really doesn't need to be. I don't believe that this is an issue of Jim Crow, separate but equal, law. I can understand the angst of the people of the Ridgeview community over issues with the city in the past. I agree with Deb McNeur that this is an issue of socio-economics and it is an issue of the two sides of the tracks. I don't see anything vitriolic about that being stated.


Look at the precincts that had the highest turnout. They were the Viewmont wards. In my opinion that is because there issues are taken care of. They are choosing who will represent every ward. As has been stated to me, the reason why you don't see neighborhood associations in North Hickory is because their issues are already addressed. They don't need a place to vent their frustrations about their neighborhoods issues.


I also agree that the wards are gerrymandered. There is no rhyme or reason to the way they are drawn. They could come up with these same numbers by drawing a sliced pie map- of Hickory that does not have wards drawn here there and everywhere. I do believe that there should be more direct representation of the specific parts of Hickory. An outside of the box idea and compromise would be to have each quadrant of the city have a representative, with some compromises for population distribution, elected specifically by that quadrant, and then have two at large council positions voted on by people throughout the city and the Mayor. Then have the mayor position with some superceding authority.


Right now, what gives Mayor Wright any more status than the other Council members? They all are voted on by the same electorate in the same manner. Truly, the other Council members have just as much power as the Mayor. If this is going to be the case, then why even have a formal election for a Mayor. Why not have a more parliamentary system with seven wards and let the council members choose who will be the Chairman of the Council.


One thing is for sure. This is an issue. It needs to be debated. We need to know why the Post-1970 electoral model works best. Why are we holding unnecessary primary elections? Why is there such low participation? Do we not want more people to participate? And I am not naive, do people really even care?

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

I believe that a candidate who is good for the city as a whole, has a very fair shot at being elected BY the city as a whole, regardless of his/her race. Obama was elected by popular vote, not just by some particular "minority majority" section of the US. If a GOOD candidate - Asian, hispanic, or black - steps up to the plate, I truly believe he/she has a very fair shot at a seat on council.

Former Alder Hoyle ONLY did things for her ward, not for the city as a whole. I live in NE; she did jack for me. So I voted for Alder Guess, who was elected by popular vote. No-brainer. The city as a whole wanted someone who was willing to be responsive to those other than his/her immediate neighbors.

harryhipps said...

While the issue of ward voting is not totally about race, it is obvious that in the words of Jill Patton "We are all of one mind.". The comfortable, country club atmosphere of City Council shows a lack of creativity, diversity, and is stifling this City. Many areas of the City are neglected, youth and young adults are neglected and hate Hickory, many newcomers with different perspectives are marginalized. And a know it all, patrician attitude permeates local leadership.
Until this City gets some hope and energy we are going nowhere, as we have been doing since 1999. You keep doing what you're doing and you're going to get what you've got.

Silence DoGood said...

in re: Anon
Why, if you live in the North East were you dependent upon the Representative from Ward 4 to be responsive to you? Why did you not call on your Ward rep instead? Which speaks to the larger premise. If you are looking to elect city-wide representatives, why is the City divided into wards in the first place? To pay lip service to the illusion of entire city representation? Every Alderman is from the North side of the tracks except for 2. Only 2 specify party affiliation as 'unaffiliated'. So with 6 council members and if the 2 voted against the other 4, they would never win with a simple majority being required. The deck has been stacked against equal representation across the City since the early '70's. Fox is right, the committee didn't address the issue, because that issue will never be put before the council for a vote. Too many other people have their fingers in the pie to ever allow that to happen. And for the record, I live on the North side of the tracks too.

Anonymous said...

Silence: Ummmm, darling, a etter question might be, why do you ASSume I did not contact my ward representative? I neither said nor implied that Hoyle was the only councilperson I contacted.People often contact representatives other than the one from their own ward in regards to various issues.

Deb said...

Ann Hoyle did NOT represent her Ward 4. If she had, then Larry Pope would not have carried Ward 4 vote for 4 consecutive elections (16 years involved..that's a long time). We (Ward 4) tried to get her out, but the rest of Hickory kept putting her back in....much to our angst! We kept trying to elect somebody to represent us, but the rest of the City denied us our due process!! All Ann Hoyle did was to be a book-end (with Danny Seaver) to the Mayor that 97% of the time SLEPT during the meetings. (A Hickory High Key Club member even wrote a letter to the Editor of the HDR regarding this issue.)

The only time the West Hickory/Westmont Neighborhood mtg saw Hoyle was if there was a photo opportunity, or someone going to be at the meeting that she wished to schmooze/impress so she could grab that vote for the next time. She showed up at a meeting we had at the airport...once where pics/etc. made the papers. And, she showed up at the big Wagon Wheel (at the 321 intersection at the now vacant old Bonita Furniture Gallery building) that that neighborhood busted butt to raise matching grants and get in-kind help in order to erect. She had done NOTHING to help except pay somebody to bake 3 cakes for 3 Poor Man Suppers for the bake sale, with a note (or the delivery person admonished to verbally inform us)of how she hoped her contribution would help us, yada, yada, yada.

The one city person that actually worked her tail off to help us was Sally Fox/Ward 5 (part of W.Hky/Westmont is Ward 5---and we finally discovered we were being used to make S. Fox look good to the rest of the City, the Historical Preservation Society, etc.). Hoyle went on record several times to publically note that she did not carry her Ward, especially W. Hky/Westmont. BTW, whenever some politican or 'big-wig' wants a boost/work done, they know they need to get us in their corner. We were hoping that such was the way we could get representation for somebody on the Council.

It surely wasn't Hoyle that helped my end of the neighborhood get a falling down single-wide torn down....one that housed prostitutes, pimps, and drug dealers; one that was reported numerous times for their attempting to use Grandview Middle School kids to 'run' for them, etc. We kept contacting her----to no avail. After almost three years of the 'mess', I finally asked to speak at a Council meeting. Hoyle and another council member wanted me to have to sit down after my 'three minutes' and I wasn't through. I will be forever grateful to Alders Meisner, Fox, Patton, and City Manager Berry, and Attorney Crone for over-riding Hoyle and company, letting me continue, and then making sure something was done about it!

Deb said...

And, one more thing.....

Don't you think it is sad that a Ward isn't represented by a 'home-grown native'? The only way we could get rid of Hoyle was to wait until a white guy, that was an ex-HPD cop, from a big/active/known church, living in an annexed portion of Hickory that I believe was strategically placed in Ward 4 to 'up the ante' on our low-economics to run....thus, as I said at the Council mtg, the reason why Hank Guess is now sitting on the Council.

Silence DoGood said...

Anon:

Since you felt you could speak for what the entire City wanted, I felt like you would have included contacting your alderman, and any response, had you done so...sugah. I guess your ward alderman wasn't responsive to your needs either? Perhaps you have too many needs...bless your heart.

James Thomas Shell said...

I do believe that as Deb points out here that Sally Fox and Jill Patton do care about the city. Where I differ from them is that they are worrying mostly about the appearance and as the saying goes, "beauty is only skin deep."

These oozing sacks of puss that bubble up like this trailer you speak of only are addressed when they bubble to the surface and become a full-fledged embarassment and then we have certain city representatives who still don't want to act upon them, probably because of who owns them.

We should give Alders Patton and Fox their just desserts when they help to act upon these issues, even if a cynical view states that it is just politics, because it encourages further problems to get taken care of.

There is a very fine line when acting proactive though. We don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. We don't want every drinking establishment closed. What I believe people want to see is when they call about issues such as these, then they are looked into and handled discreetly. That there is better communication with elected officials and that they are more responsive to the needs of their constituents. First their ward and second the people of Hickory in general.

It is almost like a Congressman or Senator elected by a District or a State. Their first responsibility is towards their constituency and secondly to build a coalition. We don't have a Congressman from our district being voted on by people in Utah or Alaska, but these representatives are still ambassadors of the entire United States and need to build coalitions to get things done for their own constituency and thus the derived benefit for other constituencies throughout the country.

Deb said...

Anon: (part 1)

The NE voted for Hoyle, I truly believe, so she would vote YES for the Lowes, and a few other things those monied and always in power want(ed). Just a 'good ole boy' networking deal! Politics....and NOT because she would represent her ward, or any other ward....just stay with the status quo in power.

Also, I ask the same question as Silence DoGood has asked: Why do we bother to even have wards if those in the ward are not allowed to be represented by the person they feel will be the best candidate to bust butt for, as Mr. Shell, Hipps, and others have said before---and that is to bust butt FIRST for their ward, be accountable there FIRST....and the rest of the City SECOND/coalition?

We are a prejudiced city! In many ways other than skin color....ie economics. If you don't believe that one, then just look at how many times council should recuse themselves from voting on issues that are a conflict of interest for him/her, but instead vote on them. Examples: Fox on the moving of the Farmer's Market to right outside her business door; and most recently Guess voting on the City budget whenever City Manager Berry had gone to some length to explain the included health insurance/other benefits offered to City workers.....which he said included HPD.....of which Guess is a retiree that I think receives those benefits. IMHO, Guess should have recused himself from that vote. And, it should be noted that Patton took great pains to attempt to explain that the County set tax standards, ordinances, etc. Yet, she failed to also point out the truth that the City's 'new' business has not come so much from City incentives given, but were wooed to this area because of the County Commissioners and agencies doings. Furthermore, Hickory gets a 'leg-up' since Brad Lail's mother is Commissioner Lynn Lail. (But note...I will keep on electing Lail to the Commission. I see her working hard for the County, etc. Nor is what I have just said a mean dispersion upon Brad Lail....just pointing out connections. Not saying that either one is not worthy of their elected position, just saying that sometimes it becomes quite difficult to determine who is in office...and stays in office...because of their great representation of the citizenry, or who gets into office and stays in office because of connections.....not what you know, but who you know sort of thingy!).

Deb said...

Part 2 to ANON

Or, look at the folks that council members 'recommend' and/or 'appoint' to certain committees. There have been/are members of the Planning Commission that the Mayor/Meisner/Fox took great pains to make sure stayed in their perspective wards with their gerry-mandered voting districts, Commission members that are close kin, spouse, and/or best buds with perspective council members.

Same with other committees. Have you noticed how many vacancies there are? Or how many of those appointees have been on the same committee (or another one) for so long that they are/are not 'eligible'? And, when not eligible, the spot stays vacant?

Or somebody gets appointed (like I was to be my ward's rep for the Brownfield stuff), and then cannot continue to serve due to the 'haves' appointed from the 'haves' of the Council decide to make all the mtgs 'luncheon/working lunch' mtgs? ---Exactly what occured on the Brownfield appointment. See, that kind of stuff very effectively shuts out us everyday, lower economic, less connected so more likely to call it like it is instead of 'play games' (or as someone said at the Council mtg....grand-stand, pomp and circumstance, parade)from ever serving, from truly trying to make a difference for the folks in their ward/whole city.

Why? Because we HAVE to WORK for a living.....cannot take off for lunches during the day, or have the pleasure of not having to work, or have spouse to bring home ALL the proverbial bacon/health insurance coverage, etc. I work approx. 32 miles one way and diagonally across the other side of the county. It takes me more than 30 minutes just to get to work (rush hour and lunch traffic flow), so there is no way I could get to the mtg, do the mtg, leave the mtg to get back to work in my 90 minute planning period plus a 27 minute lunch period.

Just why do you think the Ridgeview and West Hky/Westmont neighborhoods have eagerly hastened to become recognized neighborhoods, and places that politicians completely understand are either a valuable 'friend', or the worst of all 'foes'? Sounds like you just might be like a whole lot of other folks in this city.....believe in Social Darwinism (why I hopefully respectfully disagreed with Barbara Byrd that all of this isn't Jim Crow Law/racism based on skin color, but truly socio-economics.....something that crosses ALL!!

Silence DoGood said...

Just thinking out loud here, but those last 3 posts are some of the best discussion that I've seen thus far. A couple of points from the amen corner however. Insofar as Guess voting on the budget and the concerns of insurance. The insurance rates would be set for all those current employees and spouses/dependents. If he receives insurance having retired from the city, that percentage, whatever it might be, if it exists, would already be established by the personnel policy of the City. So unless that policy comes into conflict or up for change, he has no impact. If that policy is going to be debated or voted on for change or modification, then yes, he would need to recuse himself from any vote since it has a direct affect on the benefit he receives as a result, if insurance is provided as a retirement benefit. But the cost is per employee and set by the insurance provider. Since I think Hickory is self insured in that regard or was, the rate would be set by the manager and he would not be getting anything more than anyone else. Quite frankly, retired government workers typically make horrible elected officials as a general rule. They think they know all the intricities of government and tend to micro manage. There are exceptions of course, as with every rule, but that is the general rule. As far as the personnel policy being a public record and someone other than an employee getting to see it, I can't comment on that.

As far as Lynn Lail, I had some thoughts, none good, but I'll hold my tongue. You see her as being an attribute and I'll leave it at that.

But I will reinterate that the discussion here is some of the best I've seen, and I read quite a bit.

Anonymous said...

Would hope the next time you write Jimmy's speech for him that he would be advised of the correct pronunciation. :)

James Thomas Shell said...

I didn't write Jimmy's speech. Had no idea that he was going to use that stuff, but he and anyone else has the right to do so. Hey a lot of people don't understand what is interpreted by most as Economic and Financial Gobblety-Gook; at least he tries. I here local businessmen put down economics all the time and want to fight against the laws of economics. How do you think this country got into the sorry financial shape that it's in?

Jimmy and I and a lot of other folks talk. I talk over the phone, I meet people places, I have people over here... When people agree with your interpretations, then they tend to utilize some of your dialogue. I know that I like hearing from people such as Gerald Celente, Bob Chapman, Ron Paul, Stephen Moore, Arthur Laffer, Max Keiser, etc.

Hopefully more people will start speaking louder as the economy continues to implode. I think the upcoming election will be interesting, because it is time for some accountability and justice and those who provide neither are going to try to control uncontrollable outcomes. We are living in very interesting times.