tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post3036269606323348003..comments2023-11-05T05:53:29.465-05:00Comments on The Hickory Hound: Where are the UNC Board of Governors?!?!? - UNC-Chapel Hill athletic scandal.James Thomas Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04359970774315269896noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-26056397698729575492010-10-06T22:59:58.748-04:002010-10-06T22:59:58.748-04:00Oh and that info you provide is from before the NC...Oh and that info you provide is from before the NCAA findings came out. So your dates really don't prove anything do they. <br /><br />And I have stated before that Shackleford and Washburn were problems and they were gone before they could graduate. I have two words that nip your diatribe on those two -- Lawrence Taylor. <br /><br />If we are going to get into conjecture let's talk about Joe Forte, Rasheed Wallace, Jerry Stackhouse, and the list goes on and on of people who it has been said who received extra benefits and played with agents.<br /><br />Are they clean? <br /><br />Thank God for twitter and facebook.James Thomas Shellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04359970774315269896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-27250923158577202392010-10-06T22:52:39.183-04:002010-10-06T22:52:39.183-04:00You are entitled to your vitriol also and I have s...You are entitled to your vitriol also and I have stated that State did make mistakes, but why did the NCAA say what they said?<br /><br />And I am sorry that the program in Chapel Hill isn't as virtuous as it has been characterized, but we can look at all of the fine examples that have shown otherwise over my 44 year lifetime and even prior to that.<br /><br />There are a lot more people that think Jim Valvano was a good man other than myself. And I would not ever tear Saint Dean or Saint Roy down the way that your school has attempted to tear down Jimmy V.James Thomas Shellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04359970774315269896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-71885611714941863302010-10-06T17:26:10.104-04:002010-10-06T17:26:10.104-04:00Oh, Fuller was lying. Fuller had an axe to grind. ...Oh, Fuller was lying. Fuller had an axe to grind. <br /><br />Do you have any evidence for that because I actually provided media reporting of the day and not from the evil N&O but from a newspaper with no skin in the game. If you have evidence Fuller is lying please give it and when I say evidence I don't mean page 15 of the Wolfpack Fan's Guide to the 1989 Valvano Scandal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-39433314788494862782010-10-06T17:19:33.967-04:002010-10-06T17:19:33.967-04:00So Fuller, with seven years worth of memos, had an...So Fuller, with seven years worth of memos, had an axe to grind, huh? How about PE professor Richard Lauffer who claimed grades had been changed for Chris Washburn? How about the Faculty Senate, who discovered 10 of 12 players on academic probation. How about Chancellor Bruce Poulton, who readmitted suspended players in violation of university policies? Or Charles Shackleford admitting he took over $60,000 from an agent and a booster while he was playing at State?<br /><br />You are entitled to your schadenfreude at UNC receiving the kind of colonoscopy you feel NCSU got in the late 80s, but please do not assert nor imply that UNC's current issues are of some greater scale than the ones of State until all the facts are known.St. James Thomas Valvanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-3779376692604762822010-10-06T13:18:04.850-04:002010-10-06T13:18:04.850-04:00I appreciate this response and you are entitled to...I appreciate this response and you are entitled to it. Do the comments above state that NC State players had term papers written for them. That is academic fraud. <br /><br />We won't know what the real graduation rate of students and athletes at UNCCH should be, because of the grade inflation and corruption that apparently runs rampant throughout the UNCCH academic system.<br /><br />Did Fuller have an ax to grind? There were many things that were stated during that investigation that were found to be materially false. Was the "verbatim copying" supposition proven?<br /><br />OOOh... OOOh... some idiot kid brought a TV to class he should be kicked out of the University and they reinstated him. Give me a break. I'm sure that he was taught not to do that again. Is that an ultimate sin?<br /><br />Seems to me that flat out having an admittance by University officials that someone else was doing school work for another student is a lot worse. This is fraud. Do you want to hire someone who has a degree that has done that? Does this not diminish the stature of UNCCH? Does this not upset the students that work hard to obtain their degree?<br /><br />Valvano admitted to mistakes and paid the ultimate price for them with his job. Are you willing to admit to mistakes in the UNCCH academic system and is the administration at Chapel Hill willing to do the honorable thing, which they preached 20 years ago and step down.<br /><br />Look at what happened after Valvano left and how stringent the ACC and State of NC was on State without batting an eye towards the shenanigans going on in Chapel Hill.James Thomas Shellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04359970774315269896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-77419892022108865852010-10-06T10:59:23.988-04:002010-10-06T10:59:23.988-04:00Funny this was conveniently omitted:
Equally dist...Funny this was conveniently omitted:<br /><br />Equally disturbing was information revealed by Hugh Fuller, head of N.C. State's tutoring program.<br /><br />Fuller released to the Raleigh News & Observer seven years' worth of memos sent by faculty members to school administrators, detailing complaints about poor academic performance among athletes. Fuller is responsible for arranging for classroom tutoring and academic assistance for all university students.<br /><br />The memos chronicle a pattern of abuse both shocking in its brashness and clever in its use of the system:<br /><br />--Academic tutors hired by the athletic department did course work for basketball players. One player, for instance, would customarily bring to a writing class essays written by tutors, then spend the class time--when the actual writing was to have been done--copying the tutor's work.<br /><br />--Athletes abused policies that allow students to withdraw from classes for academic or psychological reasons. If a player was failing a class, an assistant coach would pull the athlete out.<br /><br />-In a memo dated Dec. 15, 1986, Fuller wrote to Associate Provost Lawrence M. Clark that one star Wolfpack player was "essentially caught . . . cheating" in an English course but still passed the course.<br /><br />--Fuller said one player was kicked out of study hall after bringing a television set to a session. He said instructors were given orders to reinstate the player.<br /><br />Valvano told the Faculty Senate that the basketball program has a graduation rate of 86%. The Faculty Senate is the main voice for the 1,445 faculty members and serves as an adviser to the chancellor. The Poole Commission report showed the true graduation rate to be 24% from N.C. State and 32% including players who transferred to other schools.<br /><br />http://articles.latimes.com/1989-08-31/sports/sp-1885_1_jim-valvano/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-17941981720132842742010-10-05T09:55:08.301-04:002010-10-05T09:55:08.301-04:00Amen Hickory Hound, please send this to every News...Amen Hickory Hound, please send this to every News Paper editorial page in North Carolina.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-11686778566222646922010-10-05T09:43:58.011-04:002010-10-05T09:43:58.011-04:00I have tried very hard not to compare what is happ...I have tried very hard not to compare what is happenings in the UNC investigation to what happened 20 years ago in the NC State investigation. Maybe that is because I live in Raleigh and the local newspaper at the time helped lead the witch hunt against Chancellor Poulton and Jim Valvano. But your editorial really brought to light the issues that the BOT and the BOG need to be on top of. Thanks you. WEll Done!Harrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-64964969565534298762010-10-05T09:27:48.353-04:002010-10-05T09:27:48.353-04:00Well written!
The double standard illuminated is a...Well written!<br />The double standard illuminated is amazing. <br />They have been exposed. <br />Never again can they claim there are two sets of standards: one for UNC and one for everyone else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-14324757666228669322010-10-05T09:21:37.328-04:002010-10-05T09:21:37.328-04:00Excellent article. Whether you are a fan of UNC, ...Excellent article. Whether you are a fan of UNC, NC State, or any other school in the university system, everyone is affected by this scandal. The BOG has to become involved, and then clean house of anyone associated to this scandal. This is no longer about proving anything since so much has been proven. It is time to take action, and the longer the delay, the bigger the loss of integrity to UNC, the BOG, and the entire university system.dtjwnbarrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-73706281955539027702010-10-03T19:19:01.777-04:002010-10-03T19:19:01.777-04:00Awesome entry, Hickory Hound.Awesome entry, Hickory Hound.Leroy Corsonoreply@blogger.com