tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post9182291307956438040..comments2023-11-05T05:53:29.465-05:00Comments on The Hickory Hound: Reverend Cliff Moone addresses the Mayor about City Politics at City CouncilJames Thomas Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04359970774315269896noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-2459716286161565542011-10-26T18:56:58.023-04:002011-10-26T18:56:58.023-04:00At my request, Thom deleted my post on this issue....At my request, Thom deleted my post on this issue. Although I stand by my point of view, I used a word that is crude and upon reflection, I regret using it. <br />I've spoken out against the coarsening of society where manners count for less and civility is strained. By using the word I make myself a hypocrite and contribute to the lowering of standards that I deplore - another case of speak first, think later. <br />I apologize for speech that reflects badly on me and may offend some readers.harryhippsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-27656244890529078102011-10-26T11:24:19.307-04:002011-10-26T11:24:19.307-04:00I have deleted the comment by Harry at his request...I have deleted the comment by Harry at his request, because as he stated it was said in the heat of the moment and he will explain to you why he wanted the comment deleted himself.<br /><br />Yes, we need to have standards and yes we need to watch our language. Harry, is an associate with this blog and I did not feel that I should admonish him for what he said when I agreed with it wholeheartedly.<br /><br />What he was stating was that we have a culture of two-faced gladhanding masked behind a facade of "Southern Genteel" mannerisms, where people are syruppy sweet to one another person-to-person, but the second they walk away they can actually try to harm the other person for personal reasons.<br /><br />I also believe in the Club comment. Hickory has a club of Elitists who seem to think they are better than the average working class folks and they don't seem to believe in helping people out based on merit. It is a caste system and you are either born into it or not. They'll let certain people in to use them towards a purpose, but once they have gotten what they want, they will disregard you quickly and pretend like they never had anything to do with you. It's just like a High School clique.<br /><br />It creates an us versus them mentality that has been very destructive towards the progress of this community.<br /><br />We need to work together. Rewarding Good and Punishing Bad. Instead, outcomes are based on social level. If you are a jerk, but part of the club, then excuses are made for your behavior and they are given chance after chance after chance to redeem themselves. Club members are lauded if they do anything noteworthy. Non-clubmembers are ignored unless they do something that is recognized outside of the community, while any non-clubmember who does anything negative is vilified and hung in effigy as an example.James Thomas Shellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04359970774315269896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-88898715160530046092011-10-20T23:25:44.735-04:002011-10-20T23:25:44.735-04:00In Hickory, the City Manager decides what goes on ...In Hickory, the City Manager decides what goes on the agenda. The Council Members can nominate anyone at any time. They are just too timid to do so. They have chosen to let the Mayor control them. I don't know what the deal is behind thoise dynamics, but if I were sitting on that Council I'd most definitely stand up toi the Mayor when I didn't agree with him. For some reason they just refuse to stand up for anything even when they believe in it. It is part of the Go along to get along governance we see and it is totally not getting anything done, except for the same ole mundane nonsense that has us treading water and getting worn down.James Thomas Shellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04359970774315269896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-61310408608827330402011-10-20T16:09:44.533-04:002011-10-20T16:09:44.533-04:00Yes Thom, you're right. I posted in the wrong...<i>Yes Thom, you're right. I posted in the wrong thread.</i><br /><br />Why? Why indeed. Let me first say that I don’t think the Mayor should have a vote, except in the event of a tie among board members. He has the power to control the agenda. The only things that go on the agenda is what he decides will go. Ergo, he has decided that Cliff is a troublemaker because he asks too many questions and doesn’t agree with Rudy in public. “...We’ll look at it some more.” Why not just tell the man the truth? “You ask too many questions and don’t agree with me in public. You’ll never sit on that commission as long as I’m Mayor.” What should happen is, Guess, Meisner, Fox, or Patton should wait until Commission nominations appear on the agenda, then make a motion to add Cliff and let someone else second. The Mayor then has no choice but to allow a valid motion to go to a vote. Of course, that wouldn’t bode well for ‘troublemakers’ on the council. The power block that keeps Rudy, vis a vis themselves in power would likewise replace the offending party in the next election cycle. They know it, anyone with eyes knows it, and we now know why those same elected officials oppose allowing the individual wards to select their own ward reps within the wards, as opposed to citywide. It nullifies that power block.<br /><br />I agree Thom. We share different political affiliations, but have the same goals in mind. Life is about journeys, politics is about getting things accomplished for the betterment of life and all the people, or it should be.<br /><br />I’m thinking that Hickory needs to surrender their flag and change to a Roman standard. Think of it. They’re both city/states, in the Greco-Roman tradition. They both pay lip service to the people through an ‘elected’ body. All we need is a Coliseum and some Lions, we’re all stocked up on Christians. (Sorry Cliff) <br /><br />Instead of bearing the letters SPQR, it could read SPQH! For the Glory of Hickory, Hail Ceasar!Silence DoGoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-90857031115830735262011-10-20T01:19:30.182-04:002011-10-20T01:19:30.182-04:00I am glad the Mr. Moone stepped up to call out May...I am glad the Mr. Moone stepped up to call out Mayor Wright. There needs to be more people that will stand up to Rudy and fight for the citizens of Hickory. This is just another act of Rudy's to not allow outsiders in his clan. Come this next election there will be a bombshell of an announcement that will shock the whole city and Rudy may be having to leave his office. Mark my words that Rudy will not be in office come 2013.rpegarschnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-35401315423026237892011-10-19T18:24:36.282-04:002011-10-19T18:24:36.282-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.harryhippsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2088603658552825500.post-36534616556064208652011-10-19T15:21:13.905-04:002011-10-19T15:21:13.905-04:00Rudy is a very insecure man. Very rarely will you...Rudy is a very insecure man. Very rarely will you see Rudy voting in the minority on any issue. With regard to Cliff Moone's situation and Rudy "not allowing" Mr. Meisner to nominate Mr. Moone comes down to Rudy not wanting to be the lone dissenting vote against Mr. Moone - here again, Rudy not wanting have to cast a "no" vote AND be in the minority - two of Rudy's worst fears! As bad as Rudy's "control" over Council is, what's worse is other Council members allowing Rudy to exercise this type of control. Whatever the reason, Rudy has a problem with Mr. Moone and others...and he uses his position of "power" against those individuals....<br /><br />The Mayor and ALL the other Council members are dead wrong on allowing and condoning this kind of behavior among their Council colleagues. Shame on you all - but particularly to Councilmen Guess and Meisner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com